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勿箧桢 滞热翌魈帏: 研1, 研2, 研3, 研4 镳铟桢 牢, 严, 忻, 市烂 .. ( 5 )

怩钿 | 桉蝠桊钼囹 | 镱桉 | 疱觌囔 | 赅痱桧觇 | 赅脲礓囵 | 镱桉 铕箧, 爨汔玷眍 | 纛蝾觐黻箴覃 | 荔牿桀
棱蝾
义爨: 勿箧桢 滞热翌魈帏: 研1, 研2, 研3, 研4 镳铟桢 牢, 严, 忻, 市烂 ..
Hooke
2-8-2008 04:46 Hooke
镥疴铄 耦钺龛 蝈戾:
羊忸
15-4-2009 20:06 羊忸
翌沅 铗鬻羼蜮屙睇 耱铊 918 祆 铗礤耱. 令脲 麇 躅漕忸 蝾驽 疣玑噔弪 眍戾黻豚蝮痼. 骂 7,6225 祆, 磬忮痦铄, 箧 礤蝮 痤觐 疣耧痤耱疣礤龛. 羼腓 妁 "磬汔眍怦觇" 镟蝠铐 镳栾铎龛螯...
筲噫屙桢. 羊忸.
Hooke
15-4-2009 20:35 Hooke
quote:
Originally posted by 羊忸:
骂 7,6225 祆, 磬忮痦铄, 箧 礤蝮 痤觐 疣耧痤耱疣礤龛

琊 恹 蜞... 磬 忄扈 磬 痤滂礤 妁 踱囹噱 蜞觐泐 漕狃 ... 忸 918, 5.4539 7,6254 磬麒磬 镥疱犷... 牮桤桉 钿磬觐...
crank
15-4-2009 22:16 crank
湾, 镳 礤漕牮桢, 镳 铖鬻觇 镳铟. - 铟邂桎眍, 镳铖蝾 漕腈磬 猁螯 汔疣眚桊钼囗磬 玎蜞 铗 潴痦(桦 镳铖蝾 钿箴邂泐),蜩镟 镳邃铛疣龛蝈 铗 溻铋眍泐 玎驵龛 磬 扈眍旄蜞. 蜀蜞蜩, 蜞 镱 乔 磬 疣耨爨蝠桠噱禧 耔耱屐圊 铗耋蝰蜮箦?棋豚龛 玎赅琪桕?
羊忸
15-4-2009 23:33 羊忸
quote:
Originally posted by Hooke:

琊 恹 蜞... 磬 忄扈 磬 痤滂礤 妁 踱囹噱 蜞觐泐 漕狃 ... 忸 918, 5.4539 7,6254 磬麒磬 镥疱犷... 牮桤桉 钿磬觐...

(疣漕耱眍 镱蜩疣 痼黝黻) 烂!!! 骂 铐, 怵屐 戾耱 潆 蝾泐, 黩钺 镥疱轵 磬 6,5 祆 灭屙溴 眍恹 镨耱铍弪睇 桦 溧驽 (麇 麇痱 礤 蜩!) PDW- 镟蝠铐!

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NORDBADGER
16-4-2009 15:23 NORDBADGER
quote:
Originally posted by Red-Sun:
黩 恹 镱漯噻箪邂噱蝈 镱 "乔".

青蜮铕磬 玎溴疰赅.

crank
16-4-2009 22:50 crank
研-2,3?
羊忸
16-4-2009 23:21 羊忸
2Red-Sun:
殃噫栩, 疣耧铍嚆噱蝈 腓 蔓 镱漯钺睇扈 耧弼梏桕圉扈 镟蝠铐 919 祆 730? 项赅 蝈 疋邃屙 礤, 黩 桁妣蝰 软蝈痦弪, 铗腓鬣, 汴 耜噫屐, 礤漕耱囹铟眍 镱腠铗铋.
筲噫屙桢. 羊忸.
坞-朽轵
17-4-2009 12:02 坞-朽轵
quote:
Originally posted by 羊忸:
2Red-Sun:
殃噫栩, 疣耧铍嚆噱蝈 腓 蔓 镱漯钺睇扈 耧弼梏桕圉扈 镟蝠铐 919 祆 730? 项赅 蝈 疋邃屙 礤, 黩 桁妣蝰 软蝈痦弪, 铗腓鬣, 汴 耜噫屐, 礤漕耱囹铟眍 镱腠铗铋.
筲噫屙桢. 羊忸.

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crank
17-4-2009 22:36 crank
义爨 桤腩驽磬 镱漯钺礤轼桁 钺疣珙. 务蜞腩顸 蝾朦觐 驿囹 疋邃屙栝 铗琨忸 镱 疱珞朦蜞蜞 耧塍铗圉梃.
枢镳嚯 砧犟
17-4-2009 23:41 枢镳嚯 砧犟
2Red-Sun: 钽痤祉铄 耧囫栳!!! 碾 戾 磬耱箫桦 聍囫螯!!!
P.S. 昔: 犟蜞蜩, 镱麇祗 蝈禧 珥嚓 "犷朦 镟脲 忭桤"? 袜漕 忖屦!

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羊忸
18-4-2009 00:28 羊忸
2坞-朽轵 Red-Sun:
铗 戾 礤 戾礤 钽痤祉 犭嚆钿囵眍耱.

2Red-Sun:
项耢铗疱 磬 踵疣牝屦桉蜩觇 研2 忸珥桕 戾 钿桧 忸镳铖. 篷腓 忮痂螯 镳桠邃屙睇 溧眄 ( 礤 忮痂螯 桁 怵钿 猁 礤 铖眍忄龛), 蝾 镱塍鬣弪, 黩 潆桧 30-玎漤钽 爨汔玷磬 170 祆, 20-玎漤钽 - 130 祆. 篦弪铎 蝾泐, 黩 爨犟桁嚯 滂囔弪 镟蝠铐 - 铌痼汶屙眍 10 祆, 蝾 溧驽 徨 筲咫梓屙 钺爨, 蝈铕弪梓羼觇 礤钺躅滂祛泐 潆 疣珈妁屙 犷脲 祛铋 潆桧眍 镳箧桧 镱溧忄蝈 30-玎漤铎 爨汔玷礤 镱 耩噔礤龛 20-玎漤, 潆桧 30-玎漤钽 漕腈磬 猁螯 犷朦 镳桁屦眍 磬 50, 礤 磬 40 祆.
筲噫屙桢. 羊忸.

P.S. 疹 觐沅 镳铎屦桦 镱 桁妣祚 戾 纛蝾沭圄 研2 麇蜿栝 镳铘桦 (耧囫栳 腻潴 烃腚屦 ) - 蜞 恹, 疣珥桷 恹耦蝈 20-玎漤 30-玎漤 爨汔玷磬扈 桁屙眍 铌铍 40-42 祆. 忭 镳遽帼 礤漕箪屙梃...

yurhoh
22-4-2009 00:04 yurhoh
扬篑觐忸 牮铌 - 忸 汶噔眍, 黩 疋钿栩 "磬 礤" 怦 镫 铋 爨黻.
橡 耜铕铖蝽铋 耱疱朦徨 襦祛忡忸漕 - 铖钺屙眍, 镳 猁耱痤 恹踱囹 - 狍潼蝈 泐蝾恹 蝾祗, 黩 恹 镳铎噫弪. 如-玎 桎桀蝰觐 觐眙桡箴圉梃 耧篑觐忸泐 牮赅 镱潴麝 箨噻囹咫钽 镟朦鲟 腩骅蝰 礤 磬 桤汨 牮赅 - 箫桊噱蝰 嚓牦疣 邈 觐礤. 消蜞屐 磬骅爨螯 磬 耧篑 - 镱潴麝 镳铖赅朦琨忄弪 觐眦 磬 镫铖觐耱. 矽簌屙 - 礤 桤 襦禧 镳蝽, 戾 漕 耔 镱 镟脲 犷腓. 翔 腻潴 烃腚屦 (grossfater_m)@ 2005-08-12 22:28:00
蔓耜噻噔囗桢 礤 祛, 赅 纛蝾. 软蝈疱耥 赅 忮溴 皴 镨耱铍弪 镳 耱疱朦徨 襦祛玮钿铎, 躅蝈腩顸 猁 箸磬螯 祉屙桢 漯筱钽 麇腩忮赅. 赅 铐 镱 磬溴骓铖蜩, 蝾 铗牮 忭篁疱眄铖蜩 礤 铟屙-蝾 磬忮痦铄 躅痤. 青疣礤 耧囫栳 玎 铗忮.
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燕睇
22-4-2009 04:50 燕睇
项潢桧 镟痼 鲥眚钼 徨 赅觇-腓犷 觐戾眚囵桢...


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倘抢鸵0
22-4-2009 08:40 倘抢鸵0
躅螯 礤 珥囹铌.. 眍 赅驽蝰 祉 黩  沭囗囹铎蛤 蜞觐... 忸珈铈眍 徨聒箪睇. 祛 祉屙桢.
Aglalex
22-4-2009 09:41 Aglalex
yurhoh
23-4-2009 13:19 yurhoh
央嚯 黩 蝈腩躔囗栩咫 镳彗桎屙蜞 性 忸铕箧屙 蝾 麒耠 镨耱铍弪铎 研-1. 褥 礤箧咫 礤 戾弪 疣滂篑 耧篑觐泐 牮赅 桦 耱疱朦徉 襦祛玮钿铎 礤磬耱铍 礤箐钺磬. 枢 镱 锣祗 祉屙棹 耱疱朦徉 襦祛玮钿铎, 耱疱螯 祛骓 桦 镳桎弪 镳桠囹. 妁, 镳 镱耱囗钼赍 磬 忸铕箧屙桢 猁豚 筲咫梓屙 蝾膣桧 痼觐蜿 30祆 漕 34祆  猁腩 皲咫囗 桤-玎 箐钺耱忄 桦 镱 镳梓桧 磬溴骓铖蜩? 扬囫栳 黩 铗忮蜩腓 磬 镳邃簌邋 耦钺龛.

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羊忸
23-4-2009 17:30 羊忸
蜀蜞蜩, 戾 蝾驽 怦邈溧 桧蝈疱耦忄 钿桧 忸镳铖, 疋玎眄 疱嚯桤圉桢 襦祛忡忸溧 磬 研-1 邈 镳邃耱忮眄桕圊. 袜耜铍 珥帼, 潆 忸珈铈眍耱 耱疱朦猁 襦祛忡忸漕 溧眄 镨耱铍弪 礤钺躅滂祛 镱耱噔栩 磬 镳邃箫疱滂蝈朦睇 (怵钿 猁 蜞 铐 漕耱箫眍 祉 腓蝈疣蝮疱 磬琨忄弪) 忡忸. 枢 镱龛爨, 蜞觐 镱漕 溴轳蜮栝, 镱 怦彘 忤滂祛耱, 钺篑腩怆屙 襦祛 觐眈蝠箨鲨彘 友 磬 研-1 邈 犷邂铋 镳箧桧铋, 疣耧铍铈屙眍 礤镱耩邃耱忮眄 牦痍 (漕汔潲忄 镳梓桧圊 镳桁屙屙 镱漕犴铋 聃屐, 躅  蝾朦觐 祛 镳邃镱腩驽龛 - 桧圜 镳 蜞觐 疣耧铍铈屙梃 镳箧桧 "眍痨嚯铎" 襦祛忡忸溴, 磬忮痦铄, 耠桫觐 犷朦 猁腩 猁 篑桦桢 铐钽 襦祛忡忸溧). 忸 忸镳铖 - 麇 镳桧鲨镨嚯 铗腓鬣弪 溻桄屙桢 镟朦鲟 潆 镱耱囗钼觇 牦痍 磬 镳邃箫疱滂蝈朦睇 忡忸 铗 蜞觐泐 驽 溻桄屙 潆 镱耱囗钼觇 磬 忡忸 犷邂铋 镱腠 忡忮溴龛屐 牦痍? 洛潼 镳 礤 镱耱噔脲眄铎 磬 镳邃箫疱滂蝈朦睇 忡忸 牦痍 襦祛忡忸漕 桤 研-1 箧 礤 恹耱疱腓. 湾 镱蝾祗 腓 钿眍 矬犭桕圉梃 骟痦嚯 "杨脘囹 箐圜", 沅 疣耜噻嚯铖 镳彗屙蜞鲨 痤耨栝耜钽 铕箧, 蝾 麒耠 蝾沅帏礤泐 忄痂囗蜞 研-1, 囔屦桕囗鲟, 铐 囔屦桕囗鳆 邈 铛囵嚓蝈痂珙忄腓 赅 "礤 桁妣 襦祛忡忸溧" 玎麟 屐  礤漕耱囹觇?
筲噫屙桢. 羊忸.
yurhoh
23-4-2009 23:03 yurhoh
暑沅 筲咫梓桦 蝾膣桧 痼觐蜿 漕 34 祆 礤箧咫 礤朦 猁腩 镱戾螯 纛痨 耧篑觐泐 牮赅, 钿磬觐 镳 礤漕耱囹铌 耱疱朦猁 襦祛玮钿铎 溧驽 礤 箫铎桧嚯铖, 箧 礤 耠邃箦 桤 钽 黩 耱疱朦徉 襦祛玮钿铎 桤 研-1 麒耱 眍扈磬朦磬. 筲噫屙桢 Yurhoh.
羊忸
24-4-2009 00:10 羊忸
-踵, 黧螯 镱溻咫 戾 镟螯, 眍 腓 襦祗 爨腩耱, 溧 蝾 鬣耱 桉觌栩咫 蝈痨桧铍钽梓羼觐. 骂 蝾黜 鲨蜞蜞 桤 耧弼恹矬耜 骟痦嚯 "勿箧桢", 镱疋眄钽 严 (研-1) 邈 镳邃耱忮眄桕囔:
"愉囵眍-耧篑觐忸 戾踵龛珈 镨耱铍弪 - 牦痍钼, 溻铋眍泐 溴轳蜮. 武磬觐 铐 桁邋 钿眢 铖钺屙眍耱. 碾 镳铊玮钿耱忄 镥疴钽 恹耱疱豚 襦祛忡忸漕 牦痤 漕腈屙 猁螯 镱耱噔脲 磬 镳邃忄痂蝈朦睇 忡忸".
筲噫屙桢. 羊忸.
NORDBADGER
24-4-2009 20:42 NORDBADGER
Red-Sun 蔓 礤 牦瘃 镱麇祗 磬 狍赈 眍戾疣, 磬镳桁屦, 磬 卵 桦 涎 猁腓 磬 豚蜩龛鲥?

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NORDBADGER
25-4-2009 13:48 NORDBADGER
quote:
Originally posted by Red-Sun:
蒡 黩钺 羼腓 磬 铒屦圉梃 玎 沭囗桷彘 黩 耠篦栩, 蝾 礤 耢钽腓 猁 钿眍珥圜眍 铒疱溴腓螯 桤 赅觐 耱疣睇 铕箧桢.

聋豚 (桦 羼螯) 蜞赅 忮瘃 磬痤溴. 皖  磬耱铍 磬桠眍, 黩 羼腓 溴轳蜮栩咫 蜞, 蝾 蝾朦觐 滂怏 溧给. 蒡 桤溴腓, 赅 镟蝠铐, 磬耱铍 耧弼梏梓睇, 黩 礤耔朦眍 忮瘙, 黩 桧铖蝠囗睇 耧弼栲腓耱 漕脬 猁 耦祉邂嚯桉 桴 镳铊聃铈溴龛 (镟蝠铐 妁 牦溧 龛 , 眍 铕箧桢...). 配桧耱忮眄 玎蝠箐礤龛, 镳 徨汶铎 铖祛蝠, 祛汶 恹玮囹 矬 铗 严-3.

crank
27-4-2009 23:01 crank
逾噫噱禧 Red-Sun 镳钼鸽 钺痦 桧耱痼牝噫 祛骓 皲咫囹 礤觐蝾瘥 钺 恹忸潲. 项漯钺礤 躅蝈腩顸 猁 铖蜞眍忤蝰 磬 研-2.勿箧桢 桉镱朦珞弪 镟蝠铐 龛 鞲 礤 镳邂铖躅 耋耱怏桢 犷屣痂镟覃, 镱蝾祗 礤 溧栝 龛 赅觐泐 镳彖祗耱忄 怆噤咫, 黩 篑筱筢弪 爨腩 疣耧痤耱疣眄疙铖螯 钽 镟蝠铐. 勿箧桢 镳邃磬珥圜屙眍 潆 忭彗囡睇 磬镳娓眄 犷羼蝾腙眍忮龛 磬 犭桤觇 溧朦眍耱 礤 桁邋 腿 窝依臀吕 抢衣涡, 腿 牙涛虑挛睦, 黩,磬 祛 忡汶, 镳铖蝾 礤钺躅滂祛 镱漕犴铎 铕箧棹. 蔓耦觇 蝈祜 耱疱朦猁, 镳 礤 襦祛 耠噌铎( 镫囗 铗溧麇)镟蝠铐, 爨腩 爨耨 铕箧, 忭 礤 耧铖钺耱怏 忭蝽铋 箫疣怆屐铖蜩 镳 噔蝾爨蜩麇耜铋 耱疱朦徨 桤 礤篑蝾轺桠 镱腩驽龛. 朽珞戾蝰 研-2-  怙屦镐,镱 耩噔礤龛 忧汝囔, 眍  礤犷朦 蝾祗 驽 玎镟玟帼.
羊忸
28-4-2009 03:10 羊忸
2crank:
渺, 赅觐 桤 耦怵屐屙睇 爨腩汔徉痂蝽 舷, 桁妣 爨腩-爨朦耜 痤觐 疣耧痤耱疣礤龛, 桁邋蝰 襦祛忡忸? 袜聍弪 玎蜮铕眍 玎溴疰觇 妁 祛泱 耦汶囫栩, 铐 祛驽 铌噻囹 溴轳蜮栩咫 礤钺躅滂祛.
骂 磬聍弪 镟蝠铐 - 镱玮铍 皴徨 镳铞栩桊钼囹 皴 驽, 蝾朦觐 礤耜铍 犷脲 疣眄邈 :
< 铋 疋玷 躅蝈腩顸 猁 礤耜铍 镱漯钺礤 铖蜞眍忤螯 磬 礤觐蝾瘥 觐眈蝠箨蜩忭 铖钺屙眍耱 镟蝠铐 921 祆, 觐蝾瘥 磬耱 怵屐 恹镱腠弪 痤朦 犷屣痂镟襦 潆 铕箧 耧弼栲朦眍泐 磬珥圜屙 痤耨栝耜桴 耧弼镱漯噻溴脲龛. 篷腓 疣耨祛蝠弪 邈 踵疣牝屦桉蜩觇 徨 篦弪 觐眈蝠箨鲨 狃铐遽铋眍 矬腓, 蝾 磬镳帏桠噱蝰 礤耜铍 礤铈桎囗睇 恹忸 蝾, 黩 铗 9 祆 屠椅 铐 礤 狍溴 铗腓鬣螯 镳嚓蜩麇耜 龛麇. 项镳钺簋 漕赅玎螯 铗 蝈玷 鲨麴囔.
相蝠铐 9 祆 屠椅 (蝾 羼螯 919 祆 耥囵驽龛 <only for military use> ) 桁邋 耠邃簋 踵疣牝屦桉蜩觇 - 矬 (钺铍铟鬻磬 耦 疋桧鲱恹 皴痄鬻龛觐) 爨耨铋 7,82-8,43 磬鬣朦眍 耜铕铖螯 380-400 / 桤 耱忸豚 潆桧铋 4,5-5 濑殪钼 (114-127 祆). 相蝠铐 921 祆 - 矬 爨耨铋 7,9 (桁邋蝰 忤潴 桁屙眍 钺铍铟鬻磬 耦 疋桧鲱恹 皴痄鬻龛觐, 桧溴犟 728 桦 严11) 磬鬣朦眍 耜铕铖螯 390 / 桤 耱忸豚 潆桧铋 125 祆. 翌 羼螯 镱 潴朦眍 屦汨 矬腓  镟蝠铐 铌噻帼蝰 羿牝梓羼觇 桎屙蜩黜.
配桧耱忮眄铄 珥圜桁铄 铗腓麒 镟蝠铐 921 祆 - 犷朦 磬 3,3 祆 爨犟桁嚯 漕矬耱桁 潆桧 镟蝠铐 (33,0 祆 镳铗桠 29,7 祆). 橡噔溧, 桁屙眍 铎 铗腓麒 牮铄蝰 邈 铖钺屙眍耱. 令朦 漕矬耱桁 潆桧 镟蝠铐 镱玮铍弪 桉镱朦珙忄螯 犷脲 潆桧眢 驽塍 狃铐遽铋眢 矬膻 钽铍屙睇 泐腩忭铋 鬣耱 皴痄鬻龛觐 恹泐漤铋 帻痤滂磬扈麇耜铋 纛痨铋 (玎 聍弪 犷朦 潆桧 铈桠嚯铋 鬣耱 镱 耩噔礤龛 鬣耱 忮潴). 亦, 桤忮耱睇 祉 赅腓狃 919 祆 狃铐遽铋睇 矬腓 钽铍屙睇 皴痄鬻龛觐 镟蝠铐钼 721, 731 镟蝠铐 佬 6.3 翳痨 VBR-Belgium 铗眍耔蝈朦眍 觐痤蜿桢 (腓犷 桁妣 耧弼梏梓羼牦 觐眈蝠箨鲨) 忮 耦铗忮蝰蜮屙眍 5,5 , 4,15 5,18 (镱玟礤 镳桁鬻囗桢 - 漕徉恻蝈 铎 妁 镟蝠铐 730 邈 矬脲 爨耨铋 5,8 ). 橡梓屐 潆桧 矬腓 , 耦铗忮蝰蜮屙眍, 邋 爨耨 桴 镟蝠铐圊 腓扈蜩痼弪 钺 潆桧铋 镟蝠铐 玎忤 铗 汶筢桧 镱襦潢 矬腓 汨朦珞 铖蜞蝾黜 忭篁疱眄桁 钺祛 汨朦琨, 礤钺躅滂禧 潆 疣珈妁屙 镱痤躅忸泐 玎溧, 蝈 犷脲 篑桦屙眍泐, 赅 耠篦噱 镟蝠铐囔 721 铖钺屙眍 731. 令脲 觐痤蜿桢 脲汴桢 狃铐遽铋睇 矬腓 镟蝠铐 919 祆 猁耱疱 蝈 耜铕铖螯, 耔塍 麇泐 耱囗钼蝰 爨腩镳桁屙桁 磬 滂耱囗鲨 疋 100 溧驽 镳 耱疱朦徨 桤 舷. 象 驽 狃铐遽铋眍泐 镟蝠铐 921 祆 729 (严10) 忮耔 6,74 玎 聍弪 珥圜栩咫 戾睃 疣玑彐觇 爨耨 镱 耩噔礤龛 耦 疋桧鲱忸 鲥朦眍钺铍铟鬻眍, 蜞赕 犷朦 疋铄 潆桧 镱镥疱黜铋 磬沭箸觇 镱玮铍弪 镱漤螯 镳邃咫 溧朦眍耱 翦牝桠眍泐 镱疣驽龛 鲥脲 漕 200 , 铖钺屙眍 镳 耱疱朦徨 桤 舷, 桁妣泐 犷脲 潆桧睇 耱忸.
皖 镳 铎 矬 蝾泐 驽 镟蝠铐 731 爨耨铋 4,15 镱塍鬣弪 镳 耱疱朦徨 桤 103-祆 耱忸豚 磬鬣朦眢 耜铕铖螯 (镱 溧眄 疣珉梓睇 桉蝾黜桕钼) 铗 570 漕 610 /, 黩 耦铗忮蝰蜮箦 潴朦眍 屦汨 铗 674 漕 772 逆. 矬 镟蝠铐 729, 恹矬眄 桤 耱忸豚 潆桧铋 120 祆, 桁邋 磬鬣朦眢 耜铕铖螯 410 / 潴朦眢 屦汨 566 逆.
项蝾祗 磬 蜩镨黜 镨耱铍弪睇 溧朦眍耱 镱 <麒耱铋> 狃铐屣痤徼忄屐铖蜩 狍溴 桁弪 镳彖祗耱忸 矬 镟蝠铐 731, 耦 疋铄 恹耦觐 耜铕铖螯 屦汨彘 箐腓礤眄 蝾黻桁 皴痄鬻龛觐, 黩, 犟蜞蜩, 漕赅琨忄 漕耱箫睇 铗牮铋 镥鬣蜩 疱珞朦蜞螓 铒睇 耱疱朦 镟蝠铐囔 721, 731 729. 袜 犷朦 驽, 祛骓 耜噻囹, 镨耱铍弪-矬脲戾蝽 溧朦眍耱 玎 聍弪 塍鼬邈 耦躔囗屙 矬脲 耜铕铖蜩 屦汨, 蜞赕 犷脲 驽腩泐 皴痄鬻龛赅 (4,7 镳铗桠 2,25 矬腓 镟蝠铐 731) 镳彖祗耱忸 赅 镱 <麒耱铋> 狃铐屣痤徼忄屐铖蜩, 蜞 镱 玎狃铐邂铎 溴轳蜮棹 镱塍鬣弪 矬 镟蝠铐 921 祆 (729).>.

铗眍龛 研-2 鲥腩 躅蝈 猁 耜噻囹, 黩 邈 疱嚯 镱潋忮疰溴眄 礤漕耱囹觇 牮铪蝰 耜铕邋 钺豚耱 泐眍扈觇 -  疣玟咫 镥疱忸澉桕 忤溧 钽 镳邃铛疣龛蝈朦 (磬耠邃桢 姥 卵, 桁妣 囗嚯钽梓睇 镱 觐眈蝠箨鲨 箐囵龛觐恹 友), 痼觐蜿 蜞 礤 腓赈桎桊钼囗睇 恹耱箫铎 玎漤彘 忮瘐礤 鬣耱 (躅 龛赅觐 蝈蹴梓羼觐 磬沭箸觇 铗 恹耱箫 礤 礤皴, 眍 玎蝠箐弪 眍痨嚯铄 箐屦驵龛 铕箧), 蜞赕 礤耜铍 潆桧眍忄螓 镳桕豚 (羼腓 忮痂螯 腻潴 烃腚屦). 鲥腩 驽 铕箧桢 赅 镱 爨耨 汔徉痂蜞, 蜞 镱 蜞牝梓羼觐 龛 耱铊 铟屙 犭桤觐 礤戾鲫铎 绦71. 皖 礤戾 怦 驽 犷脲 泐眍扈麇 , 礤耢铗 磬 耱铍 驽 恹耦觇, 赅 "洛疱耜", 蝈祜 耱疱朦猁, 玎 聍弪 耋耱忮眄 戾睃泐 桁矬朦襦 铗溧麒 犷脲 箫疣怆屐 镳 耱疱朦徨, 铖钺屙眍 疱骅戾 噔蝾爨蜩麇耜钽 钽. 署铎 蝾泐, 邈 镟蝠铐 溧朦眍耱 镳祛泐 恹耱疱豚 恹, 麇 921 祆,  箫痤弪 镳桷咫桠囗桢 磬 疱嚯 溧朦眍耱 邈 镳桁屙屙 (礤 礤钺躅滂祛耱 镥疱磬耱疣桠囹 镳桷咫 桦 恹眍耔螯 蝾麝 镳桷咫桠囗).
昨钺 铎 篁忮疰溴龛 镳 南 礤 猁螯 泐腩耠钼睇, 镳桠邃 溧眄 桤 疣礤 恹觌噤噔轳 玟羼 耱囹 骟痦嚯 "勿箧桢", 耜铕邋 溧驽 礤 耱囹, 礤觐邈 戾蝾滂麇耜钽 镱耦徼 铗 蝮朦耜桴 铕箧彘龛觐. 亦 镳桠钿桦桉 疋邃屙, 耦铗忮蝰蜮梃 觐蝾瘥扈 溧朦眍耱 翦牝桠眍 耱疱朦猁 (礤 钿眍 蝾 驽, 黩 南, 眍 疋玎眄 铋 忮腓麒眍) 潆 镟蝠铐 4,630 祆 耦耱噔弪 镱 沭箐眍 翳泱疱:
耱 痼觇 - 210 , 脲驵 箫铕 - 240 ;
镱 徨泱 翳泱疱:
耱 痼觇 - 317 , 脲驵 箫铕 - 338 .
碾 镟蝠铐 921 祆  溧眄 耦耱噔 耦铗忮蝰蜮屙眍:
镱 沭箐眍 翳泱疱:
耱 痼觇 - 119 , 脲驵 箫铕 - 194 ;
镱 徨泱 翳泱疱:
耱 痼觇 - 191 , 脲驵 箫铕 - 274 .
朽珞戾弪, 礤 怦邈溧  疣耧疱牮囫眢 溧朦眍耱 祛骓 疱嚯桤钼囹, 眍 镟蝠铐 4,630 祆 羼螯 妁 钿桧 觐琨瘘 忤溴 塍鼬彘 忮痤蝽铖蜩 镱镟溧龛 鲥朦 (耋 镱 溧眄 怦 蝾 驽 戾蝾滂麝 - 镳邂铖躅漶蜮 疣珈屦 铗 1,022 漕 3,375 疣玎, 耩邃礤 镱 疱珞朦蜞蜞 8-扈 蝈耱钼 疣珉梓睇 篑腩忤 - 1,86 疣玎). 橡梓屐 磬栳铍邋 痍  镳彖祗耱忸 镳怆弪 镳 耱疱朦徨 桤 礤篑蝾轺桠 镱腩驽龛 ( 耩邃礤 镱 疱珞朦蜞蜞 4- 蝈耱钼 - 2,47 疣玎).
橡邃箫疱驿 忸珈铈睇 箫疱觇 祛 噤疱 玎 桎铍铒铌腩眄梓羼蜮 镥疱 青镟漕, 耩噻 耜噫, 黩  忸怦 礤 嚆栩圉 玎 疋屦蹯嚯 赅腓狃 PDW, 耜铕邋 镳铖蝾 桧纛痨圉 疣珈脲龛 铖禧耠屙棹. 义 犷脲 黩 铖蜞磬怆桠帼 溴轳蜮桢 矬朦 镱漕犴 镟蝠铐钼 漕 耔 镱 磬躅滂蝰 镱 忸镳铖铎, 9-扈腚桁弪痤恹 镨耱铍弪睇 犷屣痂镟覃 箧 篑镥腓 玎疱觐戾礓钼囹 皴 赅 怙铍礤 <筢铋睇>, 铖钺屙眍 溴轳蜮 磬觐痤蜿.
筲噫屙桢. 羊忸.

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crank
28-4-2009 22:45 crank
-丸 牝 礤 泐忸痂, 黩 铕箧桢 蜩镟 下 漕腈眍 猁螯 赅腓狃 9祆.橡桠邃疙睇 恹 踵疣牝屦桉蜩觇 9祆 镟蝠铐钼 怙铍礤 漕耱桄桁 箧 溴蜿 脲 耋耱怏桴 钺疣琏圊. 腻翳鲨蝽铖螯 镟蝠铐 921 礤 蝾朦觐 性, 眍 铖蜞朦眍 扈疱, 祛骓 疣聆屙栩 赅 疱嚯簋 镱漶蜞怏 忸屙眍耠箧帙桴 忸铕箧疙睇 铕箧桢 镱 铗 镟蝠铐, 铖钺屙眍 篦栩
铖钺屙眍耱 铗鬻羼蜮屙眍泐 耥噌驽龛.
-篷腓 漯筱桴 耔耱屐圊 礤 襦祛忡钿, 蝾  礤 珥圜栩, 黩 铐 礤 眢驽! 袜 忸铕箧屙梃 卵 性 奈似哇 衔岩酉酪 讶岩盘 睦拶扰 信浪芡闻 闲湃逃倥岩挛 屠 涡悠扰 滦烂!毋潲忄螯 磬 漯筱桴 泐忸痂螯- 龛 礤-珥圜栩 磬 礤 蝠遽-礤镳噔桦. 枢 镳桧螯 礤耱囗溧痱睇 镟蝠铐-镱驵塍轳蜞! 赅 襦祛忡忸, 铖蜞眍 玎蜮铕 铕箧, 镳铎彐篁铟眍泐 戾驿 镨耱铍弪铎 噔蝾爨蝾, - 螓,睚 犷驽 祛!沅 腩汨赅?
羊忸
10-5-2009 15:22 羊忸
蜀蜞蜩, 忸镳铖 忸珥桕 蝾忄痂 Red-Sun-. 湾 漕忸滂腩顸 腓 锣 桁弪 犭桤觐 钺龛 镨耱铍弪囔-矬脲戾蜞扈 沃-22 沃-39? 羼腓 溧, 蝾, 祛驽 猁螯, 祛驽蝈 镱溴腓螯 怙鬻囹脲龛扈 铗 耔 爨眍? 入 祛驽 纛蝾 桴 锣 羼螯, 觐蝾瘥 镱 畜礤蝮 妁 礤 泱腓, 铖钺屙眍 疣珙狃囗眍 忤溴?
筲噫屙桢. 羊忸.
枢镳嚯 砧犟
10-5-2009 23:03 枢镳嚯 砧犟
橡桉铄滂 筲噫噱祛祗 羊忸痼 忸镳铖铎.
枢镳嚯 砧犟
10-5-2009 23:51 枢镳嚯 砧犟
扬囫栳 玎 桧纛痨圉棹! 沃-22 镳桕豚 镱 忤潴-蝾 礤箐钺睇, 蝈镥瘘 耥 赅 铢簌屙.
sem_fx3
11-5-2009 07:14 sem_fx3
quote:
Originally posted by Red-Sun:
[B] 沃-22 磬 镱腓泐眄铋 镳嚓蜩赍 镳桫腩顸 镱钺螯 2000 泐潴. 锐稃蜞龛 镱 蝈戾 "拎犟囗弼"  禧 赅 "礤铒睇 耱疱腙" 蝮溧 镱镟腓. 项 蝾祗 囡 桉稃蜞龛 塍鼬 怦邈 皴 觐怵钼耜栝 琅918 镱赅玎. /B]

耧囫栳 玎 桧纛痨圉棹. 祛骓 箸磬螯, 赅觇 钺疣琏 镳桧桁嚯 篦囫蜩 桉稃蜞龛 镱 蝈戾 "拎犟囗弼"? 镳 琅-918- 蝾, 黩 耦 襻嚯囗耔痤忄眄铋 噔蝾爨蜩觐?

羊忸
11-5-2009 10:40 羊忸
铗 戾 沭囗 戾瘃. 蜀蜞蜩, 筲噫噱禧 Red-Sun, 忸钺 磬 溧眄 祛戾眚 沃-22 沃-39 皴痂轫 恹矬耜帼蝰 桦 蝾朦觐 忤溴 铗溴朦睇 钺疣琏钼 镱 恹耱噔赅 泱?
筲噫屙桢. 羊忸.

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yurhoh
12-5-2009 12:23 yurhoh
逾噫噱禧 R錮-Sun 耦皴漤彘 忮蜿 "觐痤蜿铖蜮铍铄 铕箧桢" 蝈戾 "635" 严(研-1) 忸耧痂龛爨弪 赅 蝾腧. 燕 痼赅 礤 溴疰嚯, 镱铎 礤 珥帼. 枢 铐 忄? 妁 礤 耱疱腓 秘-18 赅 镱 铢簌屙?
枢镳嚯 砧犟
13-5-2009 00:46 枢镳嚯 砧犟
2Red-Sun: 蚊形掏闻 严姥攘 抢 晕椅!
悟 腓鲟 怦彘 觐腩龛嚯铋 祛瘃觐 镥躅螓!!
泥驽 礤 珥帼, 黩 妁 耜噻囹!
mpopenker
13-5-2009 00:57 mpopenker
筲噫噱祛祗 Red-Sun 钽痤祉铄 耧囫栳!

噔蝾, 镨蝈 妁!

羊忸
13-5-2009 03:26 羊忸
泥, 蝾驽 耱铍 怅篑眍泐 钿眍 戾耱 溧忭 礤 忤溴, 蝾 麒耠 琅-918 "箴彗囗睇 磬 溻 铗忮瘃蜩" 潴朦睇 蝾痨铉铎 50-玎漤 爨汔玷眍. 丸珀栝 锣 镱觌铐 玎 锣 蝠箐 磬 龛忮 磬泐 镳铖忮龛.

妁. 骤蜞蜞 桤 耦钺龛 Red-Sun - "蜀蜞蜩 耱 疋铄祗 礤 珥帼 黩 羼螯 沃39".
蒡 羼螯 蝾, 黩 铎 驽 锣 耦钺龛 镱戾眍 镱 蝠屐 纛蝾沭圄扈 沃-22. 项 牮嚅礤 戾疱, 桁屙眍 铗 舷 蜞 桁屙簋 软弪 礤觐蝾瘥 镥鬣蝽 桉蝾黜桕圊. 橡 铎 镳桠钿栩 箨噻囗桢 磬 耋耱忸忄龛 溻篚 邈 祛滂翳赅鲨 - 镱 镟蝠铐 7,6225 祆 (耦狁蜮屙眍 沃-39) 镟蝠铐 919 祆 (沃-39). 锣 铐, 赅 镱, 钺铉磬鬣弪 赅 沂-0247.
鸯, 磬镳桁屦, 玟羼:
http://www.megasword.ru/index.php?pg=319
http://www.megasword.ru/index.php?pg=321

琅-918, 赅 泐忸 箧 屠厝 桉蝾黜桕 , 镱珂 镳弪屦镥 蝠囗耵铕爨鲨 琅-918 爨汔玷眍 皴牝铕眍泐 蜩镟 镨耱铍弪眍 痼觐蜿.
蜀蜞蜩, 腓蝈疣蝮疱 怦蝠鬻噱蝰 溻觐 磬桁屙钼囗桢 蝈禧 - "拎犟囗" 桦 "拎犟囗弼". 洛痦铄, 赅 镱, 桁屙眍 怛铕铄?
妁, 箧 镳铖蜩蝈, 黩 玎覃镟 忸镳铖囔, 眍 怦 驽 蔓 犭桄 怦艴 磬 耱铊蝈 铕箧彘眍 铗疣耠. 橡噔溧 腓, 黩 蝈爨, 疣礻圊 觐蝾痤 疣琊噌囹嚯 噔蝾爨 琅-973 镱 镟蝠铐 7,6239 祆, 磬琨忄豚顸 "项腩忮"? 埋邈 邃桧铈潲 怦蝠鬻嚯 蜞觐 磬玮囗桢 邋, 溧 蝾 软蝈痦弪, 镱蝾祗 耦祉屙 徨痼 镱 鬣耱 镳噔滂忸耱 桉蝾黜桕 (赅赅-蝾 眍忸耱磬 脲眚 耦 耨觐 磬 镳邃耱噔栩咫彘 暑怵钼).
钽痤祉 筲噫屙桢. 羊忸.

P.S. 妁 . 青 舷 "孰桧-2" 锣 镱溴疰囹, 鬣耦, 礤 漕忮腩顸?
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Hooke
13-5-2009 10:59 Hooke
昨钺 猁腩 镱蝽邋 (桤 疣礤 礤 怦蝠鬻噔躐):
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蜞 镱龛爨 -  沃-22...

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 沃-53...

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Hooke
13-5-2009 11:06 Hooke
quote:
Originally posted by Red-Sun:
蜀蜞蜩 耱 疋铄祗 礤 珥帼 黩 羼螯 沃39

镱 镱忸潴 沃-39, 蝾 玟羼 怦 镳铖蝾 (赅 镳噔桦 铗戾蜩 羊忸)... 耥圜嚯 桧桷栲蜩忭铎 镱潢 镱忤腭 沃-39 镱 7,6225乙, 镱蝾 镱 蝈祗 "拎犟囗弼" 邈 祛滂翳鲨痤忄腓 镱 919 沃-39 (沂-0247)... 沃-53 镱塍鬣弪 疋铪 铟屦邃 怆弪 祛滂翳赅鲨彘 沃-39 (沂-0247)...

quote:
Originally posted by 羊忸:
(沃-39). 锣 铐, 赅 镱, 钺铉磬鬣弪 赅 沂-0247.

蒡 礤 龛... 沃 - 桧溴犟 质攘盐, 沂 - 桧溴犟 柿, 钺 铐 怩钿 蝮朦耜铄 沂... 铗颃溧 溻铋睇 桧溴犟 镱怆 (磬镳桁屦, 沃-01 = 沂-0216, 沃-02 = 沂-0217 ..)

quote:
Originally posted by Red-Sun:
霹 猁 钺疣珏 铗 滞热椅滋镭, 眍 友 铌噻嚯 覃痤忄 (躅 桎 镱 觐祜屙襦鲨 桁矬朦襦 铗溧麒 桧蝈疱耥 镳铖蜞 猁豚) 2001..02 邈 箧 耥腓 桉稃蜞龛.

蜞 镱龛爨 -  忻063... 镳 礤泐 锣 礤 龛赅觐 桧纛痨圉梃, 蝾 牮铎 耱囹 骟痦嚯 杨脘囹 愉圜 2000-04 http://www.megasword.ru/index.php?pg=313 龛麇泐 犷朦 礤 怦蝠鬻嚯...

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羊忸
13-5-2009 15:31 羊忸
, 犟蜞蜩, 赅 疣犷蜞 铗 "麇螓疱躔漤" 爨汔玷 磬 沃-53? 项 镳桧鲨矬 玎戾龛 镳 耱疱朦徨 镟蝠铐钼 镥疱漤屐 爨汔玷礤 玎 聍弪 玎漤邈, 箧 镱蝾 疣躅漕忄龛 桤 镥疱漤邈?
NORDBADGER
13-5-2009 15:44 NORDBADGER
quote:
Originally posted by 羊忸:
, 犟蜞蜩, 赅 疣犷蜞 铗 "麇螓疱躔漤" 爨汔玷 磬 沃-53? 项 镳桧鲨矬 玎戾龛 镳 耱疱朦徨 镟蝠铐钼 镥疱漤屐 爨汔玷礤 玎 聍弪 玎漤邈, 箧 镱蝾 疣躅漕忄龛 桤 镥疱漤邈?

需耜眢 镳邃镱腩骅螯, 黩 黩-龛狍潼 磬怵钿 钽 http://www.google.com/patents?id=XcdkAAAAEBAJ&dq=2399900

枢镳嚯 砧犟
13-5-2009 19:33 枢镳嚯 砧犟
赅觐 漯筱铋?
Hooke
13-5-2009 19:51 Hooke
quote:
Originally posted by Karden:

镱蝾祗-黩 镱 磬玮囗桢 研-3 磬 镳邃豚汔 漯筱铋 噔蝾爨.


玎汶龛蝈 磬 镥疴簋 耱疣龛麝 磬 蝈禧 https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/51/347220.html 蜞 磬汶漤 祛骓 镱耢铗疱螯 耩噔龛螯 祛滂翳赅鲨 研.3, 镳邃豚汔螯 潴爨 忄 祛泱 桁屙眍 研.3, 铐 铗 研.3 耔朦眍 铗腓鬣弪...

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Hooke
13-5-2009 20:11 Hooke
蜞 镱龛爨, 黩 忻063 猁 镱 919 921 ( 耱囹 镱麇祗-蝾 箫铕眍 桁屙箦禧 923)???
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腕 玎钿眍 祛驽 羼螯 躅螯 赅觇 乙 镱 舷 蝈禧 "拎犟囗弼", 铖钺屙眍 沃-22 沃-53...

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