Беккер, Коендерс и другие

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mpopenker:

а мне попадалась фотка этого (или аналогичного) образца без механизма подачи ленты и с указанием калибра 9х19
для 7.9х33 на мой скромный взгляд маловата и хлипковата система..

Готов с Вами согласиться, но... я не видел MG ленту 9х19.Существуют такие? Во-вторых, Шмидт умер, и спросить не у кого. В-третьих, "написано пером... ", а пером написано: Die Coenders-Maschinenpistole von 1940, Kaliber 7,92 (mit Kurzpatrone 8x33).В-четвёртых, сам в руках не держал и снимков не видел (очевидно,по причине редкости).

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Originally posted by Игорь Робертович:

Существуют такие?

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Originally posted by Игорь Робертович:

В-третьих, "написано пером... ",

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Originally posted by Игорь Робертович:

В-четвёртых, сам в руках не держал и снимков не видел (очевидно,по причине редкости).

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окно для выброса гильз справа очевидно коротко для 8х33.

Пулемёт Коендерса во время испытаний. Человек, который держит его в руках, подорвался на гранате, ленту держит Фридрих Аншутц.

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Originally posted by Игорь Робертович:

Окно около 1.5 дюйма. Стреляная гильза пройдёт

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mpopenker:

осечный патрон точно не пройдет, так что 8х33 тут, увы, мимо кассы
но за инфу по Кондерсу все равно спасибо, запишем в блокнотик на будущее

Не за что. В своих конструкциях Коендерс не жаловал затвор как таковой. Его винтовка запиралась поворотом подвижного ствола. Габариты коробки минимальные, затвор не нужен. И точность для фольксштурма в городских боях, вероятно, не очень нужна.

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Some years ago, Herb Woodend, the guru for belts, links, clips and chargers told me of a set of links he had recently acquired for an experimental German belt fed Machine Pistol in 9mm Parabellum! as luck would have it, last year I had an opportunity to pick up a section of four links for this weapon. The following was compiled with assistance from Herb. The majority of the following information is directly from the notes of Geoff Sturgess who also provided the photo of the weapon.
There is very little known about the gun, as it is completely unmarked, and is a hand made prototype. It is surmised that the maker may have been ERMA in the 1944 time frame, but this is not substantiated, though they were involved in other late war SMG developments and there are no hints in any on the war time records of such a weapon in any of the programs by other possible contenders such as Mauser (definitely not - their monthly research reports make no mention of it at all), BSW (unlikely, as they had little to do with SMG's), Haenel (very possible, given their background with Schmeisser's designs) or Grossfuss (a distinct possibility, as they undertook several virtually undocumented programs).
The problem with these last two is that they both fell into the Russian zone, and all their prototypes and documents went east - this gun has U.S. provenance, so was probably liberated from one of the plants that the U.S. Army occupied. The best known of the American occupied plants is the Walther plant, but Walther had no input to any SMG program during the war, so is a most unlikely producer. This leaves ERMA, which is a strong candidate, since several other prototypesfrom their facility fell into U.S. hands, and Erfurt was briefly occupied by the U.S. Army.
It is likely that the weapon was intended to fulfill the same function in Armored Fighting Vehicles (AFV) as the curved barrel StG44, providing close in defense against attacking infantry. The barrel was adapted to a ball-mount for through-hull flexible firing (now missing). The weapon incorporates a strong spring buffer integral with the bolt, which must be intented to enhance the cyclic rate considerably, since buffering is not really needed for the 9mm cartridge in a blowback machine pistol. This is a novel and quite clever concept, as the weight of the buffer becomes part of the necessary reciprocating weight and inertia of the bolt to give a safe breech closure time in blowback operation, without adding the extra weight of a static buffer to the overall weight of the gun.
The use of the belt would make sense in the context of a AFV. The links are gray steel finished like other German links of the period. They are completely unmarked. The link and belt design bears a close resemblance to the MG34/42 belt, including not only the stiffening rib and extractor groove locating nib but also the four small anti-friction pips that minimize the aera of sliding contact between cartridge case and link inner surface. The belt has similar articulation to the Gurt 34 in that it has total flexibility about the axis of the cartridge, but has a much more restricted minimum bend radius in the plane of the belt of approximately 240 mm, compared to approximately 100 mm for the Gurt 34, due to the use of solid pins rather than springs to join the links.

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Игорь Робертович:
Пулемёт Коендерса во время испытаний. Человек, который держит его в руках, подорвался на гранате, ленту держит Фридрих Аншутц.

а кроме фото хотябы словестного описания-нет?